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this is lou elizondo and you are

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hi everyone and welcome back to that ufo

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podcast my name is andy and it's a

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breaking news breakdown for you a couple

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of announcements came out this evening

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and joining me to discuss those dan

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hi hi it's a it's a good day

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it is a good day and depending on what

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side of copyright law you're on and

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for those that have been following

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social media the last 24 hours we don't

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we won't go into it but yeah that you'll

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appreciate that one if not just ignore

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it um

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dan a couple of announcements we're

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going to talk over tonight you've kind

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of focused on one of them mainly and i

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focused on the other but you've you're

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kind of across both and i've heard half

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of one the big announcement first and

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then we'll get to the stars academy but

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the big announcement it was from nasa

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and not not totally unexpected i don't

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think given the the recent rumblings

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from nasa and

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bill nelson's statements and the idea

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they were going to be getting on board

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with the ufo uap subject they have

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announced setting up a nine month long

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independent study on uaps to begin this

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fall and if you're outside of the u.s

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fall i believe is august september yeah

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end of summer towards the end of the

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year yeah yeah that's when the leaves

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start to fall i think

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that's the general the general gist yeah

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um so yeah so take us through the call

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dan i managed to hear folks uh about

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half of this because both nasa and to

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the stars had webinars and announcements

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at exactly the same time it was 6 p.m uk

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10 a.m pacific 1 pm eastern

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um and wherever else you are in the

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world um i watched the the tommed along

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to the stars one in phil dan watched

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with an eye on the tom the long one as

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well um so we can kind of cover both of

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them for you but nasa is certainly the

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main one i can i can promise you that

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much trust me and i'll tell you why when

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we get to the to the stars one

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it kind of amused me that the to the

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stars one went for longer um and they

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didn't really have that much to to

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announce uh but it was a good

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announcement and we'll get to it but the

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the nasa one uh there were three people

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on the call uh david spurgle who's uh

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president of the simons foundation in

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new york city and chair of the

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astrophysics department at princeton

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university in princeton new jersey

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daniel evans who is the assistant deputy

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associate administrator that's a

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mouthful for research at nasa's science

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mission directorate he's the guy that's

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kind of leading this basically we also

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wrong i apologize he's associate

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administrator of the agency's science

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mission directorate so thomas is the guy

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who has taken the reins on this and is

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wrong with it and has made this happen

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so if people are like who why thomas is

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so we kicked off with one of them saying

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be discovered which i thought was

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amazing the the safety of aircraft did

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come up but it was kind of secondary to

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them being excited about science which i

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love scientists should be curious and

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these guys definitely were thing we

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should emphasize is this is just step

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collect future data and how nasa can use

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that data to move the scientific

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understanding of uap forward so like you

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say this is a nine-month study to just

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establish what's there um and

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key is that it's a transparent study so

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there's though some of the members of uh

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this group will have classified

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clearance they will not be dealing with

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transparent and they will be having they

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reports as they go along into this which

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i thought was really wonderful

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early on that when when this was

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announced i saw people online straight

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away with with the classic

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nasa already know never a straight

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answer is what nasa stands for and nasa

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know what's going on with the ufo

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phenomenon yeah but to be honest it's

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that age-old thing of i think there are

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presently who know what's going on in

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terms of the ufo phenomena or have a

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rough idea that we have things in our

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skies that aren't human technology

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however i don't think the gentleman

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scientists they all sounded just to me

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you hearing more of the call they all

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this is something they're quite excited

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this is the the gatekeepers here playing

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dumb this is genuinely something that

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administrator has a massive interest has

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government and his previous roles has as

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nasa to be more involved in the uap

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investigations and you have to say that

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he's keeping that promise because this

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directly from his stewardship of nasa uh

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and these gentlemen cannot taking the

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lead 100 and and we're going to be

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a question on people's lips will

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probably be are we going to be looking

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at historical data these gentlemen

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but they know that it exists and that

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a whole boatload of data um that isn't

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civilians nonprofits it's from companies

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and they will collect and analyze it all

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step two but step one is going to inform

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how they should move forward

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they will also be secure in the council

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uh council of experts in scientific

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those gatekeepers like you say these

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what it is uh in a public-facing manner

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so you know combine this in your heads

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best place of any organization to study

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at the disposal given they are placed

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above the atmosphere and also below it

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as well so they can literally come at

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less just yeah literally that the rest

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hey was there something weird there and

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curious what they would see if they went

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to uh the the west coast of america on

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the 14th of november 2000 right okay so

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didn't get that come on coming across in

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that first half of the call i heard from

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from i think it was about half the call

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was when they talk about looking at the

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existing data are they going to be able

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events that will be reported on

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that time whether they have databases of

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nutshell which is awesome okay so think

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those radars that were present and

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things like that that's all classified

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we can't see that but if nasa have you

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or so ago someone found what they

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hovering over the water and some

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disturbance in the water now nasa have

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tools and imagery than that so they

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could feasibly go look at that area and

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see if the tic tac was there before dave

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fraver even ever got there um so it's

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gonna be real interesting i i'd love if

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i could work anywhere right now

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uh to study this phenomenon i i would

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love to be working at nasa like you said

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they're curious and excited well you

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think that event happened over seven to

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ten days and those objects hovered in

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one area as gary verheeson talked about

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on the spy 1 radar that they could see

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these things sitting for 12 hours at a

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that 80 000 feet staying where they were

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and then they would head off either

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underwater or back whatever so there

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frame for them to look at just for that

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event yeah and and that's where dropping

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to uh to start pouring through the data

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and i love that they're bringing in

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civilian data as well because again if

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you know bob smith from arizona spot

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something in the sky they can just have

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a look at their satellites we we know

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that there's kind of a lot of stuff up

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there um nasa don't necessarily have the

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best stuff up there that would be the

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national security agency and places like

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that but nasa always get the

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hand-me-downs from places like that so a

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lot of their tools will be you know the

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old nsa satellites and things like that

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um really gives you pause to what the

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nsa and places like that would know

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about this phenomenon given that they

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can look at that data

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budget was

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apparently between ten and a hundred

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thousand dollars dan is that correct

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that is correct sorry i'm just going

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through my notes finally no no i'm sorry

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tens of thousands to

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about a hundred thousand um

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like i said they're going to be going

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through the data right now they're not

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going to be analyzing it they're

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essentially making a big pile of

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anomalous data and that word was used as

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well they spoke about the anomalous

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movements which i thought was awesome uh

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in the in the press release just before

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they did this

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they actually kind of took a moment in

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it to say that there is no evidence that

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this is

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extraterrestrials and someone brought

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that up that line up uh in in the q a

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and they said you know that's that's

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quite a statement to be making before

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you've done any study and the three

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people present two pains to to emphasize

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actually what what that means is that we

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currently don't have any evidence to

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show this and they emphasize the we as

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well as in those three people so

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it's not that they're not it's that they

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can't prove it right now and if they

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could prove it they would happily say it

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so

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it's really exciting to have people with

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such open minds uh approaching this in a

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scientific way and that's fair can i

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just say on the budget side of things so

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it reminded me when i heard that and a

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few people had commented on it online

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that you know atep had a budget 22

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million dollars to which people kind of

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scoffed at but

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speaking to luella zondo when we did in

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those early interviews and even since

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when he's mentioned that that you know

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you you can walk down the corridor and

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ask the guys in this room to show me

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x y and z and if someone else in a

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different department could use this

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piece of equipment that doesn't

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necessarily then involve any cash and

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like you see if nasa are talking about

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using existing equipment existing data

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and its data collection data collating

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and data comparison then that doesn't

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necessarily need a budget of tens of

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millions or hundreds of millions of

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dollars for a for a phase one of what is

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a nine month long investigation or study

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yeah exactly you you don't want to fund

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this too much up front and end up with

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people complaining about the amount of

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money you're spending on it and pulling

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the rug from under it you want to give

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it exactly as much as it needs um and

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that includes attention as well one of

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the other things i love they spoke about

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is

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nature

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the line was don't ever underestimate

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what nature can do for you

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and i think that's that's such a great

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line and it's worth remembering because

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we do not understand everything out

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there we're always finding new things

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just this week we're starting to talk

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about dark matter stars that we didn't

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talk about before and for anyone that

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doesn't know dark matter makes up about

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95 of the universe and we don't know

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what it is so it might end up making a

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small percentage and the rest is full of

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a shadow biosphere or something uh it's

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really intriguing and i love that

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they're keeping those possibility open

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they spoke about the stigma as well

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which i think is important to mention

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that was my next bullet point yet

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they essentially

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brought it up uh using the phrase

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reputational risk um

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and addressed the fact that just by

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having this conversation

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that they're pulling that stigma apart

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and it will result in more reports we've

387
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already seen the in in the us hearings

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bray and moultrie said that they think

389
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that the reason for increased reporting

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is that the report guidelines are there

391
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now and pilots are losing the stigma so

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they're actually saying something

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whereas other people think that the

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activity is increasing whereas

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now we're going to get the same thing

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probably from civilians and things like

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that and it's a real good opportunity

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for nasa to educate as well because if

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there are you know a lot

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say a hundred reports out of 110 reports

401
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of starlink it's going to be great to

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show the world what styling is and talk

403
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about that a little bit and and just on

404
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that front hopefully an upcoming episode

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of coloring outside the lines we'll be

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talking about satellites and things in

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space and things like that so that will

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hopefully shed some light for people

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there

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same gentleman who was talking about the

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stigma side of it there was a quote to

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paraphrase where he mentioned that the

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quality of sign should be determined by

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the quality of the output

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and again that's that that's a little

416
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bit of a scientific and respectful dig

417
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at those scientists who who scoff at the

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subject before they even themselves dare

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to look into it in any kind of

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scientific and serious way which these

421
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these people are saying you know we've

422
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got the equipment we've got the

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technology and we have the staff we have

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the academics we have the people let's

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look at this properly now

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and

427
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let's let the results speak for

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themselves that's that's essentially

429
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what they're saying and i think you have

430
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to at least give them that opportunity

431
00:14:28,710 --> 00:14:26,800
yeah absolutely you know we

432
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the community kind of rails on on people

433
00:14:32,629 --> 00:14:30,800
like mick west a lot but the fact is

434
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he's doing the work that

435
00:14:36,230 --> 00:14:34,959
he can do i.e you know if he's at home

436
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he's using the things that he has he

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doesn't have satellites above that he

438
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can go back and look at the imagery and

439
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i'm sure he would if he could but he

440
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doesn't and until someone like nasa

441
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takes this and runs with it

442
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we're just going to be a bunch of people

443
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examining videos of dots in the sky that

444
00:14:54,069 --> 00:14:51,680
you know we'll argue over till we're

445
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blue in the face we need multi-sensor

446
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analysis so

447
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if nasa sees something you know take on

448
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that tic tac day

449
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then they can start having a look at the

450
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other satellites that they have there

451
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maybe look if any gamma rays were

452
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emitted or cosmic rays or you know

453
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things like that it's going to be a real

454
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real interesting time to

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to see

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how they exist and how they see the

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world because

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and we've had this conversation uh or

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i've had this conversation with a few

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people just wondering

461
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if they can even see us in the way that

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we see the world you know in visible

463
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light if they're in some other part of

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the spectrum or better off

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i'm glad you mentioned that about the

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the debunking and you know what mcquest

467
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does and he does some good work in

468
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various other aspects of of what he does

469
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in terms of analysis however

470
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looking at the people have asked why we

471
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haven't talked about the jubilee ufo for

472
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example that's came up because very

473
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quickly we were in our kind of private

474
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chat and

475
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i think you guys were saying graham

476
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rendolin call that it looks like it's

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really close to the camera to be fair

478
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rather than it just as a parallax effect

479
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you think it's close to the jets and

480
00:16:02,629 --> 00:16:00,480
it's actually not as close to the camera

481
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so it could just be a bird flying across

482
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or a balloon or whatever and there's

483
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probably nothing to it however if you

484
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want to see it's a dot going across the

485
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screen then yeah

486
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what we don't have is

487
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for example let's talk about that dhs

488
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video from a few weeks ago we have a

489
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pilot identifying three objects moving

490
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at a speed they they claimed was mac

491
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x y and z and the objects you know they

492
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weren't birds he thought they were

493
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aircraft so that's that's a little bit

494
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of a difference not to say either video

495
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as anything untoward and and what people

496
00:16:34,629 --> 00:16:32,160
like can do is they don't prove

497
00:16:36,310 --> 00:16:34,639
something isn't a ufo in terms of an

498
00:16:38,069 --> 00:16:36,320
anomalous craft what they do is they

499
00:16:40,710 --> 00:16:38,079
tend to prove especially with that

500
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limited capability and others have as

501
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they prove they can recreate a shape

502
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it is essentially what they do on video

503
00:16:48,949 --> 00:16:47,120
oh look i can make a triangle out of a

504
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light or i can make a circle out of a

505
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light or i can make this bird look like

506
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that and i think when you look at nature

507
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regardless of this phenomena that we're

508
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looking at

509
00:17:00,710 --> 00:16:58,560
all the different types of craft or orbs

510
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or whatever these structures are they

511
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all have shapes they all have circular

512
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triangular rectangular whatever it might

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be you know balls spherical

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and you can recreate those in any way

515
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shape or form so just because you can

516
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recreate the shape

517
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doesn't mean it's not something

518
00:17:18,230 --> 00:17:16,880
still anomalous all you're saying is

519
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well i can also make it look like a

520
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circle yeah but it doesn't mean that

521
00:17:23,029 --> 00:17:20,720
circle is not

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00:17:24,870 --> 00:17:23,039
non-human or advanced technology or

523
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whatever it may be and that's you know

524
00:17:27,110 --> 00:17:26,000
just something i was thinking of the

525
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other day when i was when i was looking

526
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at some videos that were online so but

527
00:17:31,430 --> 00:17:30,480
yeah yeah you're totally right just

528
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because it looks the same it doesn't

529
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mean there is that thing and that's why

530
00:17:35,909 --> 00:17:34,480
we need more analysis and that's where

531
00:17:38,630 --> 00:17:35,919
these guys come in you know they they

532
00:17:40,789 --> 00:17:38,640
could take something that make it

533
00:17:42,710 --> 00:17:40,799
put a you know 80 chance of being a

534
00:17:43,750 --> 00:17:42,720
balloon on and blow it apart or confirm

535
00:17:45,350 --> 00:17:43,760
it you know

536
00:17:47,430 --> 00:17:45,360
these are the guys with the tools that

537
00:17:50,070 --> 00:17:47,440
we want and another thing that interests

538
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me was that someone asked about uh

539
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before now has anyone accessed the nasa

540
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data

541
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for this reason to study uap

542
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and

543
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they said that they're not aware of

544
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anyone that has

545
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but

546
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that they acknowledge the work done in

547
00:18:07,909 --> 00:18:05,840
the dod already but they they're looking

548
00:18:09,430 --> 00:18:07,919
at what they can contribute using

549
00:18:11,029 --> 00:18:09,440
science tools

550
00:18:13,270 --> 00:18:11,039
being fully transparent and open like i

551
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said reports public meetings

552
00:18:18,390 --> 00:18:16,240
which necessitates it being unclassified

553
00:18:20,390 --> 00:18:18,400
so we're not going to see a partition on

554
00:18:22,390 --> 00:18:20,400
a wall erected here between us and and

555
00:18:24,630 --> 00:18:22,400
that we we now have

556
00:18:27,029 --> 00:18:24,640
the public facing uap conversation

557
00:18:28,549 --> 00:18:27,039
coming from the public facing science

558
00:18:30,150 --> 00:18:28,559
organization

559
00:18:31,830 --> 00:18:30,160
in the usa

560
00:18:33,750 --> 00:18:31,840
and nasa

561
00:18:35,750 --> 00:18:33,760
we speak speak about the james webb

562
00:18:37,990 --> 00:18:35,760
telescope a lot and

563
00:18:39,430 --> 00:18:38,000
no doubt people think that's nasa and

564
00:18:41,270 --> 00:18:39,440
the fact is it's about four or five

565
00:18:43,029 --> 00:18:41,280
other teams but nasa just coordinate

566
00:18:44,710 --> 00:18:43,039
because they're such a big team science

567
00:18:46,470 --> 00:18:44,720
isn't like other things where there are

568
00:18:47,990 --> 00:18:46,480
borders between the countries scientists

569
00:18:50,470 --> 00:18:48,000
love working together because it's all

570
00:18:52,310 --> 00:18:50,480
about the data and tools

571
00:18:54,870 --> 00:18:52,320
i would struggle to believe just

572
00:18:57,110 --> 00:18:54,880
personally this comes from god no place

573
00:18:59,510 --> 00:18:57,120
of knowledge but people like louis

574
00:19:02,150 --> 00:18:59,520
elizondo and chris melon have never in

575
00:19:04,150 --> 00:19:02,160
their ufo conversations and the people

576
00:19:06,070 --> 00:19:04,160
they you know conversed with and

577
00:19:07,590 --> 00:19:06,080
officially unofficially went what the

578
00:19:09,590 --> 00:19:07,600
hell does nasa have on this because

579
00:19:11,669 --> 00:19:09,600
those guys are in space already

580
00:19:13,510 --> 00:19:11,679
you know that those conversations must

581
00:19:14,950 --> 00:19:13,520
have happened i'd be amazed if they had

582
00:19:16,470 --> 00:19:14,960
that that's where i would say that

583
00:19:18,549 --> 00:19:16,480
chances are that's where they go to

584
00:19:20,870 --> 00:19:18,559
places like the nsa and there are other

585
00:19:23,510 --> 00:19:20,880
organizations with really great high

586
00:19:24,870 --> 00:19:23,520
fidelity satellites you know they're

587
00:19:28,150 --> 00:19:24,880
for an example

588
00:19:30,710 --> 00:19:28,160
so we we have satellites that could

589
00:19:31,990 --> 00:19:30,720
allow us to understand the rainfall in a

590
00:19:34,390 --> 00:19:32,000
certain part of the world that would

591
00:19:36,549 --> 00:19:34,400
tell us that in a week or two a certain

592
00:19:38,070 --> 00:19:36,559
village is going to be flooded

593
00:19:39,590 --> 00:19:38,080
those satellites unfortunately are

594
00:19:41,430 --> 00:19:39,600
classified which means that data is

595
00:19:43,350 --> 00:19:41,440
classified which means the person who

596
00:19:45,909 --> 00:19:43,360
sees that first domino fall in that

597
00:19:47,510 --> 00:19:45,919
series of events can't say anything and

598
00:19:50,230 --> 00:19:47,520
and there are lives at stake in some of

599
00:19:52,390 --> 00:19:50,240
those situations so we we need to kind

600
00:19:54,390 --> 00:19:52,400
of get to a place where like yes there

601
00:19:55,750 --> 00:19:54,400
are probably better places that have

602
00:19:57,430 --> 00:19:55,760
data and things like that but we've got

603
00:19:59,029 --> 00:19:57,440
to work with what we have and wrestle

604
00:20:00,230 --> 00:19:59,039
the control of this subject away from

605
00:20:01,830 --> 00:20:00,240
the people that are holding it behind

606
00:20:03,750 --> 00:20:01,840
those pearly gates

607
00:20:05,270 --> 00:20:03,760
yeah the last kind of part i'd heard on

608
00:20:07,270 --> 00:20:05,280
the call was probably before what you're

609
00:20:08,789 --> 00:20:07,280
discussing on but it was very much on

610
00:20:10,789 --> 00:20:08,799
the wealth of talent that nasa has

611
00:20:12,070 --> 00:20:10,799
already at its disposal and the people

612
00:20:13,669 --> 00:20:12,080
that are going to potentially now be

613
00:20:15,110 --> 00:20:13,679
working on this that

614
00:20:17,029 --> 00:20:15,120
more interestingly might not even have

615
00:20:19,029 --> 00:20:17,039
an interest in the ufo subject although

616
00:20:20,390 --> 00:20:19,039
i imagine many working at nasa do have

617
00:20:22,549 --> 00:20:20,400
some kind of geeky

618
00:20:25,029 --> 00:20:22,559
science background and enjoyed star trek

619
00:20:26,789 --> 00:20:25,039
or star wars or you know those kind of

620
00:20:28,710 --> 00:20:26,799
aspirations of a child growing up that

621
00:20:31,029 --> 00:20:28,720
they they saw nasa as being in the

622
00:20:33,990 --> 00:20:31,039
future but to have some people working

623
00:20:35,909 --> 00:20:34,000
on this that may be like really ufos uap

624
00:20:36,710 --> 00:20:35,919
all right okay and they're just applying

625
00:20:38,310 --> 00:20:36,720
that

626
00:20:40,230 --> 00:20:38,320
knowledge and skill set to this and

627
00:20:41,990 --> 00:20:40,240
going right let's let's look at it from

628
00:20:43,350 --> 00:20:42,000
a non-biased point of view an unbiased

629
00:20:44,630 --> 00:20:43,360
point of view i'm not going into it

630
00:20:46,230 --> 00:20:44,640
because that was one of the questions i

631
00:20:48,149 --> 00:20:46,240
think or or even one of the first

632
00:20:49,750 --> 00:20:48,159
questions asked on the q a which is just

633
00:20:51,430 --> 00:20:49,760
where my call cut off

634
00:20:52,470 --> 00:20:51,440
was one of the the guys was asked about

635
00:20:54,390 --> 00:20:52,480
are they going into this with a

636
00:20:56,470 --> 00:20:54,400
hypothesis already

637
00:20:57,350 --> 00:20:56,480
and they were like nah not really just

638
00:20:58,630 --> 00:20:57,360
you know

639
00:21:00,630 --> 00:20:58,640
there's a lot of data there's a lot of

640
00:21:02,470 --> 00:21:00,640
signs to be done it's it was all very

641
00:21:03,909 --> 00:21:02,480
much like exciting and kind of like i

642
00:21:05,750 --> 00:21:03,919
know football manager starting in the

643
00:21:07,669 --> 00:21:05,760
new season it's like i'm really excited

644
00:21:08,870 --> 00:21:07,679
to get going and get to know my team see

645
00:21:09,990 --> 00:21:08,880
what they can do and see where we can

646
00:21:11,750 --> 00:21:10,000
take this

647
00:21:13,990 --> 00:21:11,760
yeah yeah absolutely they were super

648
00:21:16,070 --> 00:21:14,000
excited to turn this what was the phrase

649
00:21:18,070 --> 00:21:16,080
they used turning a data poor field into

650
00:21:19,430 --> 00:21:18,080
a data rich field that's the transition

651
00:21:21,669 --> 00:21:19,440
we're in now and there are a lot of

652
00:21:22,789 --> 00:21:21,679
places kind of doing that uh they said

653
00:21:24,870 --> 00:21:22,799
they want to start poking at this

654
00:21:26,549 --> 00:21:24,880
phenomena from multiple directions uh

655
00:21:28,710 --> 00:21:26,559
which which i loved again coming from

656
00:21:29,590 --> 00:21:28,720
nasa like that's such a cool statement

657
00:21:31,029 --> 00:21:29,600
uh we

658
00:21:32,789 --> 00:21:31,039
you know may have been here before with

659
00:21:34,950 --> 00:21:32,799
with some things in the past with like

660
00:21:36,630 --> 00:21:34,960
blue book and things but

661
00:21:37,669 --> 00:21:36,640
i genuinely feel that the people that

662
00:21:39,430 --> 00:21:37,679
were speaking on that call were

663
00:21:41,669 --> 00:21:39,440
open-minded and ready to just go where

664
00:21:43,190 --> 00:21:41,679
the data takes them do you remember when

665
00:21:44,950 --> 00:21:43,200
mcdonald's used to do a mcdonald's

666
00:21:46,310 --> 00:21:44,960
monopoly and they still do it now here

667
00:21:48,549 --> 00:21:46,320
in the uk i don't know if they still do

668
00:21:50,630 --> 00:21:48,559
it in the us and you could win like the

669
00:21:52,149 --> 00:21:50,640
big prize of like a quarter of a million

670
00:21:55,110 --> 00:21:52,159
and a million pounds if you could get

671
00:21:57,430 --> 00:21:55,120
what is it mayfair and parklane

672
00:21:59,110 --> 00:21:57,440
yeah the blue ones the dark yeah the two

673
00:22:01,110 --> 00:21:59,120
blue ones and

674
00:22:03,110 --> 00:22:01,120
what you're looking for is you need both

675
00:22:04,549 --> 00:22:03,120
to win lots of people obviously get one

676
00:22:07,029 --> 00:22:04,559
of them and only so many of the others

677
00:22:08,630 --> 00:22:07,039
are printed but

678
00:22:09,990 --> 00:22:08,640
when they say data poor i think

679
00:22:12,630 --> 00:22:10,000
essentially as well what you've got to

680
00:22:13,990 --> 00:22:12,640
consider is that other departments other

681
00:22:15,990 --> 00:22:14,000
areas other countries other

682
00:22:18,549 --> 00:22:16,000
organizations within out with government

683
00:22:20,310 --> 00:22:18,559
have parts of the puzzle and if they can

684
00:22:22,230 --> 00:22:20,320
just find you know we've got this and

685
00:22:24,630 --> 00:22:22,240
it's not great on its own i win nothing

686
00:22:26,390 --> 00:22:24,640
but if we can find the other person with

687
00:22:28,789 --> 00:22:26,400
us other bit of data this other bit of

688
00:22:31,510 --> 00:22:28,799
information then putting them together

689
00:22:33,430 --> 00:22:31,520
you know jackpot and again hopefully

690
00:22:35,029 --> 00:22:33,440
with nasa being involved and we hear

691
00:22:36,789 --> 00:22:35,039
about the air force and the army and

692
00:22:39,110 --> 00:22:36,799
such getting more involved in this as

693
00:22:41,430 --> 00:22:39,120
well if these organizations and it's

694
00:22:42,870 --> 00:22:41,440
something i'll touch on jim semivan said

695
00:22:44,549 --> 00:22:42,880
if they can all just start talking to

696
00:22:46,470 --> 00:22:44,559
each other as they should

697
00:22:48,390 --> 00:22:46,480
then this will click into place quickly

698
00:22:50,390 --> 00:22:48,400
for people and you can only imagine the

699
00:22:52,549 --> 00:22:50,400
network that they could have with all

700
00:22:54,149 --> 00:22:52,559
that technology and all that data where

701
00:22:56,230 --> 00:22:54,159
all of a sudden you can get rid of a lot

702
00:22:57,830 --> 00:22:56,240
of that clutter very quickly and have

703
00:23:00,149 --> 00:22:57,840
some very very interesting that that

704
00:23:02,070 --> 00:23:00,159
kind of data rich pool to look at

705
00:23:03,190 --> 00:23:02,080
yeah absolutely and as we go forward

706
00:23:05,510 --> 00:23:03,200
with this as well we're going to start

707
00:23:07,350 --> 00:23:05,520
understanding what data we need in there

708
00:23:08,390 --> 00:23:07,360
you know what does it matter that bob

709
00:23:10,310 --> 00:23:08,400
smith was

710
00:23:12,149 --> 00:23:10,320
smoking outside a walk in his dog for

711
00:23:14,070 --> 00:23:12,159
example does it matter that chris

712
00:23:15,750 --> 00:23:14,080
bledsoe was going through possibly the

713
00:23:17,909 --> 00:23:15,760
lowest moment in his life when he had

714
00:23:19,350 --> 00:23:17,919
his encounter um

715
00:23:22,789 --> 00:23:19,360
these are all interesting questions but

716
00:23:24,950 --> 00:23:22,799
we can't answer them without data so

717
00:23:26,390 --> 00:23:24,960
as well as listening to experiences who

718
00:23:27,590 --> 00:23:26,400
will no doubt submit their reports to

719
00:23:29,430 --> 00:23:27,600
public databases that will be

720
00:23:31,430 --> 00:23:29,440
incorporated we'll also be looking at

721
00:23:33,350 --> 00:23:31,440
all this other data to kind of put it

722
00:23:34,630 --> 00:23:33,360
all together and and see it reminds me a

723
00:23:36,710 --> 00:23:34,640
little of a rival

724
00:23:37,990 --> 00:23:36,720
again i always mention that but yeah

725
00:23:39,110 --> 00:23:38,000
literally in that film you know the

726
00:23:40,630 --> 00:23:39,120
visitors

727
00:23:43,110 --> 00:23:40,640
give different parts of a puzzle to

728
00:23:45,590 --> 00:23:43,120
different countries and even though that

729
00:23:47,430 --> 00:23:45,600
may not be happening in an you know

730
00:23:49,190 --> 00:23:47,440
intentional way

731
00:23:50,710 --> 00:23:49,200
like you say there's certainly an

732
00:23:52,149 --> 00:23:50,720
argument to be made that you know if

733
00:23:54,230 --> 00:23:52,159
russia's seeing a lot of triangles

734
00:23:56,230 --> 00:23:54,240
america's seeing sources and you know so

735
00:23:58,630 --> 00:23:56,240
on so forth that that could kind of come

736
00:24:00,230 --> 00:23:58,640
up in the data and we get to put that

737
00:24:01,990 --> 00:24:00,240
together and have a good idea of what

738
00:24:03,990 --> 00:24:02,000
the puzzle is instead of just trying to

739
00:24:06,070 --> 00:24:04,000
put the puzzle together face down where

740
00:24:07,750 --> 00:24:06,080
it's all just beige on the back you know

741
00:24:08,549 --> 00:24:07,760
any more from the nasa announcement from

742
00:24:10,710 --> 00:24:08,559
you

743
00:24:11,909 --> 00:24:10,720
um i mean that's about it but just they

744
00:24:15,350 --> 00:24:11,919
they finished up by talking about the

745
00:24:18,070 --> 00:24:15,360
james webb um that's on july 12th that's

746
00:24:20,149 --> 00:24:18,080
going to be showing its first images and

747
00:24:22,549 --> 00:24:20,159
they just pointed out that they're doing

748
00:24:25,029 --> 00:24:22,559
work to look at habitat habitable

749
00:24:26,789 --> 00:24:25,039
exoplanets and as well as that james

750
00:24:28,630 --> 00:24:26,799
webb will analyze the biosignatures and

751
00:24:30,470 --> 00:24:28,640
atmospheres of other planets so it could

752
00:24:32,630 --> 00:24:30,480
spot oxygen carbon dioxide in the

753
00:24:34,950 --> 00:24:32,640
atmosphere and that suggests essentially

754
00:24:37,029 --> 00:24:34,960
that it supports life um or sports

755
00:24:39,350 --> 00:24:37,039
plants and animals like ours does there

756
00:24:41,029 --> 00:24:39,360
are very specific signatures that show

757
00:24:43,990 --> 00:24:41,039
up in infrared with crops and things

758
00:24:45,669 --> 00:24:44,000
like that so we can start looking uh

759
00:24:47,430 --> 00:24:45,679
other planets for things like that so

760
00:24:49,590 --> 00:24:47,440
it's a very exciting time

761
00:24:52,070 --> 00:24:49,600
yeah and just having a glance over the

762
00:24:53,750 --> 00:24:52,080
discord channel and twitter and seeing

763
00:24:56,390 --> 00:24:53,760
what some of the commentators like gaddy

764
00:24:58,470 --> 00:24:56,400
schwartz just you know officially nasa

765
00:25:00,230 --> 00:24:58,480
is wading into the world of uaps big

766
00:25:03,110 --> 00:25:00,240
takeaways for gaddy is like we have

767
00:25:04,710 --> 00:25:03,120
discussed that the nasa sees uap as a

768
00:25:06,549 --> 00:25:04,720
phenomenon they don't understand and

769
00:25:08,310 --> 00:25:06,559
they want more data the second biggest

770
00:25:10,549 --> 00:25:08,320
takeaway for gaddy was the budget being

771
00:25:12,149 --> 00:25:10,559
less than 100k um

772
00:25:14,310 --> 00:25:12,159
but the focus tends to be pretty

773
00:25:15,990 --> 00:25:14,320
positive the language used was positive

774
00:25:17,909 --> 00:25:16,000
it's very much aspirational which is

775
00:25:19,430 --> 00:25:17,919
what we were hoping for you know if

776
00:25:20,789 --> 00:25:19,440
again we've talked about this before dan

777
00:25:24,070 --> 00:25:20,799
where people complain about the lack of

778
00:25:25,510 --> 00:25:24,080
activity and not a lot going on um one

779
00:25:27,430 --> 00:25:25,520
of our own colleagues who will remain

780
00:25:28,789 --> 00:25:27,440
nameless but he'll know who he is vinnie

781
00:25:30,549 --> 00:25:28,799
talked about how things seem to have

782
00:25:32,549 --> 00:25:30,559
been quiet on the ufo front and i was

783
00:25:34,390 --> 00:25:32,559
like i don't think they have been like

784
00:25:36,149 --> 00:25:34,400
if you if you look

785
00:25:38,549 --> 00:25:36,159
back through the last six months there's

786
00:25:40,630 --> 00:25:38,559
been an incredible amount happen yeah

787
00:25:41,669 --> 00:25:40,640
and again this is just another thing

788
00:25:43,590 --> 00:25:41,679
wherein

789
00:25:45,430 --> 00:25:43,600
you've got nasa involved with adherings

790
00:25:47,029 --> 00:25:45,440
all in the last couple of weeks which if

791
00:25:48,070 --> 00:25:47,039
those happened over a decade you would

792
00:25:49,830 --> 00:25:48,080
have been talking about and shouting

793
00:25:51,750 --> 00:25:49,840
about them but it's happened in the

794
00:25:53,750 --> 00:25:51,760
space of a couple of weeks so

795
00:25:56,390 --> 00:25:53,760
yeah for me it's a really interesting

796
00:25:57,990 --> 00:25:56,400
time and i look forward to seeing

797
00:25:59,909 --> 00:25:58,000
the next steps and that they've said

798
00:26:01,990 --> 00:25:59,919
they'll be that public call at the end

799
00:26:03,590 --> 00:26:02,000
of the nine months as well where they'll

800
00:26:04,870 --> 00:26:03,600
come out and be transparent and give us

801
00:26:06,870 --> 00:26:04,880
officially what they've got and we can

802
00:26:08,390 --> 00:26:06,880
only hope that comes let me ask you one

803
00:26:10,390 --> 00:26:08,400
one thing on that dan before we move on

804
00:26:12,549 --> 00:26:10,400
to the to the stars announcement

805
00:26:15,510 --> 00:26:12,559
does this sway the ball back into nasa's

806
00:26:17,909 --> 00:26:15,520
court at all of nasa being the ones who

807
00:26:19,909 --> 00:26:17,919
come out and say we have found something

808
00:26:21,110 --> 00:26:19,919
as being more likely now than it was we

809
00:26:22,549 --> 00:26:21,120
always kind of thought nasa might be

810
00:26:24,230 --> 00:26:22,559
that organization but then with the

811
00:26:26,630 --> 00:26:24,240
government being more involved and the

812
00:26:28,390 --> 00:26:26,640
galileo project and others

813
00:26:30,870 --> 00:26:28,400
of nasa got themselves back in the game

814
00:26:32,310 --> 00:26:30,880
a bit more here i'd say so i mean who

815
00:26:33,590 --> 00:26:32,320
are people going to believe joe biden

816
00:26:34,950 --> 00:26:33,600
kind of standing on the stage saying

817
00:26:37,190 --> 00:26:34,960
we've checked all the data and it's

818
00:26:39,029 --> 00:26:37,200
definitely aliens versus

819
00:26:40,470 --> 00:26:39,039
a bunch of scientists going through that

820
00:26:42,710 --> 00:26:40,480
data and going look this is how we

821
00:26:44,390 --> 00:26:42,720
understand it and we are not alone i i

822
00:26:45,750 --> 00:26:44,400
would expect biden to follow up and give

823
00:26:47,029 --> 00:26:45,760
a rousing speech from the back of a

824
00:26:49,590 --> 00:26:47,039
truck to all the people no i'm kidding

825
00:26:51,269 --> 00:26:49,600
that's independence day but i i would

826
00:26:52,950 --> 00:26:51,279
expect some kind of follow-up from the

827
00:26:55,669 --> 00:26:52,960
leaders of the world making statements

828
00:26:57,269 --> 00:26:55,679
but initially it's going to come from

829
00:26:59,510 --> 00:26:57,279
the experts

830
00:27:02,950 --> 00:26:59,520
yeah just before we go on i just want to

831
00:27:04,789 --> 00:27:02,960
ask if if anybody just by chance happens

832
00:27:06,789 --> 00:27:04,799
to have a baby across those nine months

833
00:27:09,990 --> 00:27:06,799
let us know uh because that that's the

834
00:27:12,149 --> 00:27:10,000
that's the nasty uap baby

835
00:27:13,990 --> 00:27:12,159
think of names

836
00:27:15,430 --> 00:27:14,000
so and to finish off that was the big

837
00:27:16,870 --> 00:27:15,440
announcement the the second thing that

838
00:27:19,110 --> 00:27:16,880
happened at the same time and i checked

839
00:27:21,909 --> 00:27:19,120
this one out was two of the stars had uh

840
00:27:23,190 --> 00:27:21,919
a big announcement and this kicked off

841
00:27:25,430 --> 00:27:23,200
at the exact same time there was a

842
00:27:27,990 --> 00:27:25,440
webinar hosted by tom delong and jim

843
00:27:29,909 --> 00:27:28,000
semivan with lovely small video windows

844
00:27:32,630 --> 00:27:29,919
because they were presenting a slide

845
00:27:34,630 --> 00:27:32,640
deck from the beginning um

846
00:27:36,549 --> 00:27:34,640
i'm not going to lie from the offset

847
00:27:37,430 --> 00:27:36,559
tom's audio was poor and jumpy

848
00:27:38,950 --> 00:27:37,440
throughout he really should have

849
00:27:41,510 --> 00:27:38,960
disconnected and reconnected someone

850
00:27:43,350 --> 00:27:41,520
should have told him um they were a few

851
00:27:45,990 --> 00:27:43,360
minutes late which you know these things

852
00:27:48,549 --> 00:27:46,000
happen and i don't think tom necessarily

853
00:27:50,549 --> 00:27:48,559
knew what was on the slides because he

854
00:27:52,310 --> 00:27:50,559
forgot to move the slide on and i had

855
00:27:53,909 --> 00:27:52,320
already done part of the presentation

856
00:27:55,990 --> 00:27:53,919
and then was like oh yeah i've done that

857
00:27:57,430 --> 00:27:56,000
and then at one point said the next

858
00:27:59,190 --> 00:27:57,440
slide was really interesting and then it

859
00:28:00,710 --> 00:27:59,200
wasn't what i thought it was going to be

860
00:28:01,990 --> 00:28:00,720
and then he started doing that thing you

861
00:28:04,230 --> 00:28:02,000
know when you're really when you're

862
00:28:06,549 --> 00:28:04,240
really badly prepared in a presentation

863
00:28:07,750 --> 00:28:06,559
at school and you start firing through

864
00:28:09,029 --> 00:28:07,760
slides really quickly that you're like

865
00:28:10,389 --> 00:28:09,039
oh i can't remember what i'm meant to

866
00:28:12,070 --> 00:28:10,399
say on that one or i thought there was

867
00:28:13,590 --> 00:28:12,080
something else he actually does that at

868
00:28:14,710 --> 00:28:13,600
one point as well

869
00:28:16,470 --> 00:28:14,720
tom does

870
00:28:18,149 --> 00:28:16,480
most of the talking in this jim simovan

871
00:28:20,710 --> 00:28:18,159
comes in now and again i'm really

872
00:28:23,029 --> 00:28:20,720
interesting guys jim zimmerman too um

873
00:28:24,630 --> 00:28:23,039
they they kicked off with tom giving his

874
00:28:26,950 --> 00:28:24,640
background on creating the bands the

875
00:28:29,269 --> 00:28:26,960
companies it came across as a bit of a

876
00:28:31,750 --> 00:28:29,279
relaunch of two of the stars

877
00:28:33,909 --> 00:28:31,760
uh anyone who has to the stars on their

878
00:28:35,590 --> 00:28:33,919
mailing list will know they've got a new

879
00:28:38,630 --> 00:28:35,600
um stock option going out they're

880
00:28:40,549 --> 00:28:38,640
looking for further investment um

881
00:28:43,350 --> 00:28:40,559
i've had a lot of those emails from them

882
00:28:45,190 --> 00:28:43,360
and this was very much met with

883
00:28:47,190 --> 00:28:45,200
well actually i got another one of those

884
00:28:49,830 --> 00:28:47,200
emails to remind me i can invest about

885
00:28:52,310 --> 00:28:49,840
half an hour before the webinar started

886
00:28:54,149 --> 00:28:52,320
as well so this was very much uh we want

887
00:28:55,990 --> 00:28:54,159
you to invest and here's why so we got a

888
00:28:58,549 --> 00:28:56,000
lot of background on

889
00:29:00,549 --> 00:28:58,559
what to the stars academy achieved

890
00:29:03,110 --> 00:29:00,559
essentially with the the launch with

891
00:29:04,549 --> 00:29:03,120
getting jim and tom together hal put off

892
00:29:06,950 --> 00:29:04,559
coming on board they then talked about

893
00:29:08,470 --> 00:29:06,960
the advisory board which came in and to

894
00:29:10,549 --> 00:29:08,480
play a couple years ago with chris

895
00:29:12,549 --> 00:29:10,559
mellen louis ondo and a whole host of

896
00:29:14,630 --> 00:29:12,559
others they talked about the you know

897
00:29:17,029 --> 00:29:14,640
secret machines books chasing shadows

898
00:29:18,950 --> 00:29:17,039
books paul anderson the media side of

899
00:29:20,470 --> 00:29:18,960
things can can i ask but i'm gonna ask

900
00:29:21,590 --> 00:29:20,480
me asking you questions this time yeah

901
00:29:22,789 --> 00:29:21,600
you were watching this while i was

902
00:29:24,710 --> 00:29:22,799
watching the other one

903
00:29:26,230 --> 00:29:24,720
did they mention about uh secret

904
00:29:33,110 --> 00:29:26,240
machines book three of either series

905
00:29:36,310 --> 00:29:34,870
say that again dan because you you i

906
00:29:37,750 --> 00:29:36,320
heard you say did they mention then you

907
00:29:39,029 --> 00:29:37,760
cut up for a second so we'll edit that

908
00:29:41,669 --> 00:29:39,039
little bit

909
00:29:44,710 --> 00:29:41,679
did they mention whether secret machines

910
00:29:46,630 --> 00:29:44,720
three or gods uh man and war uh the

911
00:29:48,230 --> 00:29:46,640
third the third book in those series if

912
00:29:51,830 --> 00:29:48,240
they'd be released soon

913
00:29:54,549 --> 00:29:51,840
so dan what tom done several times

914
00:29:56,070 --> 00:29:54,559
throughout this presentation and ask for

915
00:29:57,510 --> 00:29:56,080
money was tell us that things were

916
00:29:58,549 --> 00:29:57,520
coming soon but i'll tell you in a few

917
00:30:00,389 --> 00:29:58,559
weeks

918
00:30:01,510 --> 00:30:00,399
almost like this should have waited a

919
00:30:03,110 --> 00:30:01,520
few weeks

920
00:30:05,269 --> 00:30:03,120
and they could have done this with lots

921
00:30:06,950 --> 00:30:05,279
more announcements it sounds like um

922
00:30:08,710 --> 00:30:06,960
there was a lot of that

923
00:30:10,470 --> 00:30:08,720
you know tom

924
00:30:12,149 --> 00:30:10,480
i suppose like myself he starts one

925
00:30:13,190 --> 00:30:12,159
sentence but then finishes with

926
00:30:14,870 --> 00:30:13,200
something totally different and then

927
00:30:16,470 --> 00:30:14,880
goes back to what he was saying and i

928
00:30:17,830 --> 00:30:16,480
really want to tell you this but i can't

929
00:30:18,870 --> 00:30:17,840
but yeah that'll come in a few weeks but

930
00:30:20,549 --> 00:30:18,880
that's really interesting it's gonna be

931
00:30:22,549 --> 00:30:20,559
amazing there was a lot of that but

932
00:30:25,110 --> 00:30:22,559
anyway back to what i was saying before

933
00:30:26,870 --> 00:30:25,120
and there was a lot of just you know tom

934
00:30:28,149 --> 00:30:26,880
talking off the cuff

935
00:30:29,909 --> 00:30:28,159
um

936
00:30:31,430 --> 00:30:29,919
they they start the presentation he

937
00:30:35,190 --> 00:30:31,440
talks about like i said advisory board

938
00:30:37,190 --> 00:30:35,200
he tom says we are not a ufo company

939
00:30:38,149 --> 00:30:37,200
i would i would just mention back to tom

940
00:30:40,070 --> 00:30:38,159
they said they would make an

941
00:30:41,590 --> 00:30:40,080
anti-gravity craft

942
00:30:44,549 --> 00:30:41,600
yeah yeah

943
00:30:46,710 --> 00:30:44,559
um he also said earlier on to quote that

944
00:30:48,630 --> 00:30:46,720
george lucas wasn't a star wars guy he

945
00:30:50,630 --> 00:30:48,640
also made indiana jones

946
00:30:53,750 --> 00:30:50,640
you know so don't pigeonhole to the

947
00:30:55,750 --> 00:30:53,760
stars as a ufo company and a ufo group

948
00:30:58,470 --> 00:30:55,760
again i would say that george lucas is

949
00:31:00,789 --> 00:30:58,480
best known for star wars but also star

950
00:31:02,950 --> 00:31:00,799
wars he made a massive hit and you know

951
00:31:04,549 --> 00:31:02,960
he made three massive hits back to back

952
00:31:07,909 --> 00:31:04,559
which allowed him to make those other

953
00:31:10,230 --> 00:31:07,919
movies and you know expand his universe

954
00:31:13,029 --> 00:31:10,240
i don't necessarily think given what

955
00:31:14,789 --> 00:31:13,039
tom's putting across here they have had

956
00:31:16,950 --> 00:31:14,799
that massive hit

957
00:31:19,350 --> 00:31:16,960
a lot of what they achieved they they

958
00:31:21,029 --> 00:31:19,360
achieved with the help of others and

959
00:31:24,389 --> 00:31:21,039
they mentioned an identified series you

960
00:31:27,029 --> 00:31:24,399
know chris melon lou and jim simavon

961
00:31:29,350 --> 00:31:27,039
help it off and and those those guys

962
00:31:32,870 --> 00:31:29,360
but this now very much seems like tom

963
00:31:34,870 --> 00:31:32,880
and jim are heading up what

964
00:31:36,310 --> 00:31:34,880
tom says he wants to the stars to be the

965
00:31:37,590 --> 00:31:36,320
new disney

966
00:31:40,310 --> 00:31:37,600
and that's what a lot of this

967
00:31:43,430 --> 00:31:40,320
presentation then went on to to be

968
00:31:46,389 --> 00:31:44,789
i might be jumping ahead i was just

969
00:31:49,350 --> 00:31:46,399
gonna say did they did they allude to

970
00:31:50,149 --> 00:31:49,360
what they think their big hit might be

971
00:31:51,509 --> 00:31:50,159
yeah

972
00:31:53,669 --> 00:31:51,519
um

973
00:31:55,430 --> 00:31:53,679
he says they want to take and i'll i'll

974
00:31:57,350 --> 00:31:55,440
get to answering that because it was

975
00:31:59,590 --> 00:31:57,360
i've got the notes here and tom made a

976
00:32:02,230 --> 00:31:59,600
lot of points very quickly he says they

977
00:32:05,190 --> 00:32:02,240
want to take the story of the millennia

978
00:32:07,190 --> 00:32:05,200
and use that to launch the next disney

979
00:32:09,350 --> 00:32:07,200
it kept building to the this big

980
00:32:11,750 --> 00:32:09,360
announcement that was coming out and it

981
00:32:14,470 --> 00:32:11,760
very much moved away

982
00:32:17,350 --> 00:32:14,480
from that ufo focus to media being the

983
00:32:18,789 --> 00:32:17,360
ufo focus and the phrase that comes up

984
00:32:21,590 --> 00:32:18,799
and if someone out there can check for

985
00:32:23,590 --> 00:32:21,600
me if this is trademarked as uh informed

986
00:32:26,320 --> 00:32:23,600
science fiction

987
00:32:27,669 --> 00:32:26,330
that came up several times within the

988
00:32:30,389 --> 00:32:27,679
[Music]

989
00:32:32,230 --> 00:32:30,399
the presentation it's a strange thing

990
00:32:34,070 --> 00:32:32,240
because really science-y things like

991
00:32:35,430 --> 00:32:34,080
sci-fi are just called hard sci-fi

992
00:32:37,990 --> 00:32:35,440
there's already a term for them if you

993
00:32:39,990 --> 00:32:38,000
like your science-based sci-fi hard

994
00:32:42,230 --> 00:32:40,000
sci-fi is where you're at you know yeah

995
00:32:43,909 --> 00:32:42,240
i get that i get what he's i know you'll

996
00:32:45,750 --> 00:32:43,919
know this but i suppose what he's

997
00:32:47,750 --> 00:32:45,760
getting at is people talk about close

998
00:32:50,230 --> 00:32:47,760
encounters the third kind and the steven

999
00:32:52,310 --> 00:32:50,240
spielberg was given insider information

1000
00:32:53,430 --> 00:32:52,320
to help him make that as realistic as he

1001
00:32:55,269 --> 00:32:53,440
did

1002
00:32:57,029 --> 00:32:55,279
again louis lozando himself said it's

1003
00:32:58,230 --> 00:32:57,039
his favorite movie given the movement of

1004
00:33:01,269 --> 00:32:58,240
the craft some of the things that

1005
00:33:02,710 --> 00:33:01,279
happened etc etc right in terms of ufos

1006
00:33:04,710 --> 00:33:02,720
tom's obviously getting out and he

1007
00:33:07,029 --> 00:33:04,720
mentions a few times you know you've got

1008
00:33:09,509 --> 00:33:07,039
people like hal um the people he's been

1009
00:33:11,590 --> 00:33:09,519
involved with people at jim semivan they

1010
00:33:13,590 --> 00:33:11,600
are coming from a place of knowledge and

1011
00:33:15,509 --> 00:33:13,600
they're putting that into the media side

1012
00:33:18,710 --> 00:33:15,519
of things and it's going to be that

1013
00:33:20,230 --> 00:33:18,720
disney but for informed science fiction

1014
00:33:22,389 --> 00:33:20,240
so this is where the

1015
00:33:25,110 --> 00:33:22,399
future generations

1016
00:33:26,470 --> 00:33:25,120
are going to be able to see you know

1017
00:33:28,310 --> 00:33:26,480
you know about the paranormal you know

1018
00:33:30,230 --> 00:33:28,320
about ufos you know about cryptids you

1019
00:33:31,590 --> 00:33:30,240
know about bigfoot you know about all

1020
00:33:34,549 --> 00:33:31,600
these different

1021
00:33:35,909 --> 00:33:34,559
mysteries but actually

1022
00:33:37,269 --> 00:33:35,919
the people who know more about them

1023
00:33:38,950 --> 00:33:37,279
aren't going to tell you but what we can

1024
00:33:41,430 --> 00:33:38,960
do is show you through

1025
00:33:43,430 --> 00:33:41,440
opening up your imagination and that's

1026
00:33:44,950 --> 00:33:43,440
where monsters and actually it's not

1027
00:33:46,870 --> 00:33:44,960
meant to be monsters and cali this is

1028
00:33:48,630 --> 00:33:46,880
where tom says and i'm delighted to show

1029
00:33:50,230 --> 00:33:48,640
you this big announcement uh and this is

1030
00:33:51,750 --> 00:33:50,240
what i've got you here for today to

1031
00:33:54,070 --> 00:33:51,760
which he then goes to the next slide

1032
00:33:55,990 --> 00:33:54,080
which is monsters in california

1033
00:33:57,590 --> 00:33:56,000
he then goes ah wait no that's not the

1034
00:33:59,830 --> 00:33:57,600
big announcement

1035
00:34:02,789 --> 00:33:59,840
i thought this was after um but anyway

1036
00:34:05,509 --> 00:34:02,799
yeah and so not steve jobs then no

1037
00:34:07,190 --> 00:34:05,519
definitely not um

1038
00:34:09,750 --> 00:34:07,200
monsters in california he confirms he's

1039
00:34:12,310 --> 00:34:09,760
coming out um august september time

1040
00:34:14,950 --> 00:34:12,320
he hypes up i've said i'm really looking

1041
00:34:18,149 --> 00:34:14,960
forward to this i told you i stan

1042
00:34:19,430 --> 00:34:18,159
he mentions that um and tom's a good

1043
00:34:21,829 --> 00:34:19,440
salesman

1044
00:34:23,669 --> 00:34:21,839
he he hypes stuff up you know people who

1045
00:34:25,030 --> 00:34:23,679
hate hype want like some of the chat

1046
00:34:27,829 --> 00:34:25,040
going on here but i get what he's

1047
00:34:30,149 --> 00:34:27,839
getting at um he mentions that lots of

1048
00:34:31,669 --> 00:34:30,159
distributors wanted to distribute this

1049
00:34:33,750 --> 00:34:31,679
and as soon as they dropped the trailer

1050
00:34:35,430 --> 00:34:33,760
for it it was made independently as soon

1051
00:34:37,510 --> 00:34:35,440
as they dropped the trailer for it he he

1052
00:34:39,589 --> 00:34:37,520
done the tom thing of and if you've had

1053
00:34:41,990 --> 00:34:39,599
any tommed along ufo interviews you know

1054
00:34:44,069 --> 00:34:42,000
this will sound familiar that we had um

1055
00:34:46,230 --> 00:34:44,079
uh so many distributors like one really

1056
00:34:47,750 --> 00:34:46,240
big one i can't say who that is and it

1057
00:34:49,430 --> 00:34:47,760
was like there was a lot of that but

1058
00:34:51,109 --> 00:34:49,440
they all wanted to throw money at him

1059
00:34:53,909 --> 00:34:51,119
off the back of the trailer which i hope

1060
00:34:56,149 --> 00:34:53,919
they did um to to get this out in the

1061
00:34:57,910 --> 00:34:56,159
biggest way possible he says they are

1062
00:34:59,349 --> 00:34:57,920
taking that offer they've been given to

1063
00:35:01,109 --> 00:34:59,359
other distributors and asking if they

1064
00:35:03,190 --> 00:35:01,119
can match or beat it you know blah blah

1065
00:35:05,109 --> 00:35:03,200
blah but the idea is to get people's

1066
00:35:06,630 --> 00:35:05,119
imaginations going that paranormal isn't

1067
00:35:09,750 --> 00:35:06,640
fiction is real

1068
00:35:11,670 --> 00:35:09,760
and tom hopes to have that settled soon

1069
00:35:13,349 --> 00:35:11,680
that monsters in cali comes out in the

1070
00:35:14,470 --> 00:35:13,359
biggest way possible and i hope it does

1071
00:35:15,510 --> 00:35:14,480
because i'm really looking forward to

1072
00:35:17,670 --> 00:35:15,520
seeing it

1073
00:35:19,270 --> 00:35:17,680
i would love to go to a cinema to see it

1074
00:35:20,950 --> 00:35:19,280
i don't necessarily think that's going

1075
00:35:22,230 --> 00:35:20,960
to end up happening though i don't know

1076
00:35:24,230 --> 00:35:22,240
about you though i mean the landscape

1077
00:35:26,310 --> 00:35:24,240
has changed a lot uh yeah during during

1078
00:35:28,150 --> 00:35:26,320
the pandemic and there's a lot bigger

1079
00:35:30,390 --> 00:35:28,160
movies that now don't even get a look

1080
00:35:31,829 --> 00:35:30,400
yeah exactly so i wouldn't imagine this

1081
00:35:33,190 --> 00:35:31,839
will but it would be cool if it does

1082
00:35:35,349 --> 00:35:33,200
even if they were just you know a

1083
00:35:37,430 --> 00:35:35,359
limited run yeah limited run some some

1084
00:35:38,630 --> 00:35:37,440
small independent cinemas kind of run it

1085
00:35:39,990 --> 00:35:38,640
it would be really cool to kind of see

1086
00:35:41,109 --> 00:35:40,000
that there

1087
00:35:45,030 --> 00:35:41,119
what

1088
00:35:46,470 --> 00:35:45,040
transpired for me for the rest of the

1089
00:35:48,550 --> 00:35:46,480
rest of the slides and the rest of the

1090
00:35:50,630 --> 00:35:48,560
conversation is a bit like you've

1091
00:35:52,069 --> 00:35:50,640
mentioned i've done that

1092
00:35:53,589 --> 00:35:52,079
to the stars

1093
00:35:56,150 --> 00:35:53,599
speaking

1094
00:35:59,190 --> 00:35:56,160
it's still a relatively small company

1095
00:36:01,270 --> 00:35:59,200
tom has ideas to make it the new disney

1096
00:36:02,390 --> 00:36:01,280
and this kept coming across he mentions

1097
00:36:05,349 --> 00:36:02,400
the big announcement right let me say

1098
00:36:07,430 --> 00:36:05,359
this first that legendary films who made

1099
00:36:09,829 --> 00:36:07,440
you know uh the batman movies with chris

1100
00:36:11,510 --> 00:36:09,839
nolan anders stellar

1101
00:36:13,109 --> 00:36:11,520
yeah a load of really big names you'll

1102
00:36:15,349 --> 00:36:13,119
know the legendary logo if you if you

1103
00:36:16,870 --> 00:36:15,359
look it up um they have

1104
00:36:19,829 --> 00:36:16,880
taken on the option for the secret

1105
00:36:22,230 --> 00:36:19,839
machines films which is fantastic i

1106
00:36:24,310 --> 00:36:22,240
really look forward to that i i actually

1107
00:36:27,109 --> 00:36:24,320
have not spoken it's not films

1108
00:36:29,670 --> 00:36:27,119
uh it's tom wants it to be a series like

1109
00:36:31,270 --> 00:36:29,680
game of thrones rather than that in

1110
00:36:33,030 --> 00:36:31,280
movies he sees it as being a hundred

1111
00:36:34,790 --> 00:36:33,040
million dollars a season he wants a

1112
00:36:36,390 --> 00:36:34,800
discipline in the ending

1113
00:36:37,910 --> 00:36:36,400
well yeah

1114
00:36:40,630 --> 00:36:37,920
wasn't a game of thrones fan myself i'll

1115
00:36:42,870 --> 00:36:40,640
get abused for that um but yeah i i

1116
00:36:44,150 --> 00:36:42,880
would love to see that as well tom seems

1117
00:36:46,230 --> 00:36:44,160
to be so

1118
00:36:47,990 --> 00:36:46,240
forward thinking of you know we want to

1119
00:36:49,510 --> 00:36:48,000
be so far down the line with this and

1120
00:36:50,870 --> 00:36:49,520
that's a wonderful goal to have and

1121
00:36:52,550 --> 00:36:50,880
wonderful vision

1122
00:36:54,390 --> 00:36:52,560
i don't know if all those stops along

1123
00:36:55,910 --> 00:36:54,400
the way are unnecessarily there he

1124
00:36:57,750 --> 00:36:55,920
mentioned things like you know we want

1125
00:36:59,670 --> 00:36:57,760
this we want the books to be like the

1126
00:37:02,150 --> 00:36:59,680
next harry potter but then there's only

1127
00:37:04,310 --> 00:37:02,160
one harry potter tom says he mentions

1128
00:37:05,829 --> 00:37:04,320
that the maze runner series he plucks

1129
00:37:07,510 --> 00:37:05,839
some statistics off the top of his head

1130
00:37:09,510 --> 00:37:07,520
which i don't know how right they are

1131
00:37:11,430 --> 00:37:09,520
but he says that maze runner had like

1132
00:37:12,870 --> 00:37:11,440
300 000 books sold and then once they

1133
00:37:15,349 --> 00:37:12,880
were made into movies and more smash

1134
00:37:16,790 --> 00:37:15,359
hits they sold 15 million books so

1135
00:37:18,790 --> 00:37:16,800
that's the impact that a really good

1136
00:37:21,349 --> 00:37:18,800
movie can have and again he brought up

1137
00:37:24,069 --> 00:37:21,359
you know this informed science fiction

1138
00:37:24,950 --> 00:37:24,079
buying pulling in that next generation

1139
00:37:26,950 --> 00:37:24,960
um

1140
00:37:28,870 --> 00:37:26,960
and that you know again the new disney

1141
00:37:31,430 --> 00:37:28,880
he wants this to be the new disney plus

1142
00:37:34,150 --> 00:37:31,440
but for all that type of film that type

1143
00:37:35,030 --> 00:37:34,160
of content the book side of it the tv

1144
00:37:37,030 --> 00:37:35,040
shows

1145
00:37:38,790 --> 00:37:37,040
very much creating his own ips on

1146
00:37:40,230 --> 00:37:38,800
intellectual property

1147
00:37:42,069 --> 00:37:40,240
that was brought up quite a lot from

1148
00:37:43,510 --> 00:37:42,079
that point onwards and they want to make

1149
00:37:44,550 --> 00:37:43,520
it on the road

1150
00:37:46,390 --> 00:37:44,560
this week

1151
00:37:48,630 --> 00:37:46,400
yeah yeah i know you have i know as soon

1152
00:37:51,270 --> 00:37:48,640
as i heard that um but they want to make

1153
00:37:54,790 --> 00:37:51,280
their own stuff so it's theirs to

1154
00:37:56,390 --> 00:37:54,800
protect it legally you know

1155
00:37:57,910 --> 00:37:56,400
but then

1156
00:37:59,589 --> 00:37:57,920
they can get the biggest bang for their

1157
00:38:01,430 --> 00:37:59,599
buck and also more control over it from

1158
00:38:03,190 --> 00:38:01,440
that point of view as well he mentioned

1159
00:38:04,470 --> 00:38:03,200
that other distributors wanted monsters

1160
00:38:06,870 --> 00:38:04,480
in california

1161
00:38:08,710 --> 00:38:06,880
before it was made but they wanted too

1162
00:38:10,230 --> 00:38:08,720
much control over it in terms of casting

1163
00:38:11,990 --> 00:38:10,240
and the story and everything else and i

1164
00:38:13,270 --> 00:38:12,000
can appreciate that

1165
00:38:15,829 --> 00:38:13,280
randall nicholson spoke about that with

1166
00:38:17,430 --> 00:38:15,839
ariel then he wanted to kind of inject

1167
00:38:18,790 --> 00:38:17,440
some big stars into it and it would have

1168
00:38:20,630 --> 00:38:18,800
really kind of

1169
00:38:22,790 --> 00:38:20,640
you know diminished the the result i

1170
00:38:24,790 --> 00:38:22,800
think i think him finishing it and

1171
00:38:26,230 --> 00:38:24,800
getting it out um in the form it is i

1172
00:38:27,750 --> 00:38:26,240
think is the perfect way to do it you do

1173
00:38:29,670 --> 00:38:27,760
it on your terms and then if they want

1174
00:38:31,510 --> 00:38:29,680
to show it they show it as it is

1175
00:38:32,870 --> 00:38:31,520
yeah and to kind of wrap up a little bit

1176
00:38:33,990 --> 00:38:32,880
on that there wasn't too much more

1177
00:38:35,430 --> 00:38:34,000
essentially that was the big

1178
00:38:37,829 --> 00:38:35,440
announcement which

1179
00:38:39,910 --> 00:38:37,839
mildly disappointing in terms of ah so

1180
00:38:42,390 --> 00:38:39,920
you are very much getting away from any

1181
00:38:44,310 --> 00:38:42,400
of the sciency side of things oh there

1182
00:38:46,630 --> 00:38:44,320
is a little bit on that i'll get to that

1183
00:38:47,990 --> 00:38:46,640
um

1184
00:38:49,910 --> 00:38:48,000
i just want to emphasize this is an

1185
00:38:51,510 --> 00:38:49,920
option as well it's weird to me that

1186
00:38:53,510 --> 00:38:51,520
he's announced this because scripts are

1187
00:38:55,589 --> 00:38:53,520
optioned all the time and it doesn't go

1188
00:38:57,589 --> 00:38:55,599
anywhere so i would have preferred he

1189
00:38:59,990 --> 00:38:57,599
wait until production was started or

1190
00:39:01,750 --> 00:39:00,000
something uh before he announced it but

1191
00:39:03,190 --> 00:39:01,760
yeah it's happened yeah there was no

1192
00:39:05,270 --> 00:39:03,200
production or anything like that very

1193
00:39:07,190 --> 00:39:05,280
much like it but hopefully it goes ahead

1194
00:39:09,109 --> 00:39:07,200
he mentioned his next directorial effort

1195
00:39:11,589 --> 00:39:09,119
will be announced to the coming weeks he

1196
00:39:13,589 --> 00:39:11,599
mentioned a port anderson announcement

1197
00:39:15,030 --> 00:39:13,599
in the coming weeks he mentioned other

1198
00:39:17,270 --> 00:39:15,040
announcements will be coming in the

1199
00:39:18,790 --> 00:39:17,280
coming weeks i i can imagine tom saw

1200
00:39:20,230 --> 00:39:18,800
doctor strange too heard the term

1201
00:39:22,230 --> 00:39:20,240
dreamwalker mentioned and just thought

1202
00:39:24,470 --> 00:39:22,240
yeah let's get on poe anderson again

1203
00:39:26,950 --> 00:39:24,480
yeah there was there was a lot of i

1204
00:39:29,829 --> 00:39:26,960
can't tell you what's coming yet but x

1205
00:39:32,630 --> 00:39:29,839
and y is coming down the line um i got

1206
00:39:34,310 --> 00:39:32,640
the sense that he saw that disney's

1207
00:39:36,390 --> 00:39:34,320
popular harry potter's popular game of

1208
00:39:38,150 --> 00:39:36,400
thrones is popular we should do that but

1209
00:39:39,349 --> 00:39:38,160
with our content

1210
00:39:42,069 --> 00:39:39,359
absolutely

1211
00:39:42,870 --> 00:39:42,079
but dan joe rogan's popular i want to do

1212
00:39:43,829 --> 00:39:42,880
that

1213
00:39:45,910 --> 00:39:43,839
cool

1214
00:39:48,710 --> 00:39:45,920
getting there something different and i

1215
00:39:51,589 --> 00:39:48,720
think that's and but i hope tom delong

1216
00:39:53,430 --> 00:39:51,599
realizes that dream because i think this

1217
00:39:55,910 --> 00:39:53,440
content essentially can ultimately

1218
00:39:57,829 --> 00:39:55,920
benefit the ufo subject and that the

1219
00:39:58,870 --> 00:39:57,839
whole world of paranormal cryptids

1220
00:40:00,550 --> 00:39:58,880
ghosts

1221
00:40:03,109 --> 00:40:00,560
skin walker ranch style you know

1222
00:40:05,270 --> 00:40:03,119
activity um

1223
00:40:08,309 --> 00:40:05,280
yeah i hope it happens even in some

1224
00:40:10,150 --> 00:40:08,319
small way i think baby steps first this

1225
00:40:12,069 --> 00:40:10,160
could have waited until after monsters

1226
00:40:14,710 --> 00:40:12,079
in california came out and let's see

1227
00:40:15,589 --> 00:40:14,720
what the impact of that is

1228
00:40:17,910 --> 00:40:15,599
um

1229
00:40:20,150 --> 00:40:17,920
but yeah it was very much oh okay that's

1230
00:40:21,990 --> 00:40:20,160
it it got to a q a which lasted a couple

1231
00:40:23,829 --> 00:40:22,000
of minutes questions were clearly

1232
00:40:25,510 --> 00:40:23,839
cherry-picked it was very much focusing

1233
00:40:27,589 --> 00:40:25,520
on investment and business-based

1234
00:40:30,150 --> 00:40:27,599
questions only one of any

1235
00:40:31,589 --> 00:40:30,160
real interest was are you moving away

1236
00:40:34,309 --> 00:40:31,599
totally from the science to being more

1237
00:40:36,790 --> 00:40:34,319
media and he mentioned the meta material

1238
00:40:39,910 --> 00:40:36,800
being analyzed still underneath about

1239
00:40:42,309 --> 00:40:39,920
the credit yeah um you know reported uh

1240
00:40:44,069 --> 00:40:42,319
from a crash in the 40s is meant to be

1241
00:40:45,990 --> 00:40:44,079
roswell isn't it like that's the the

1242
00:40:47,750 --> 00:40:46,000
idea this is the piece he didn't say but

1243
00:40:49,349 --> 00:40:47,760
i imagine that they bought from linda

1244
00:40:51,589 --> 00:40:49,359
moulton howe for what 25 thousand

1245
00:40:54,309 --> 00:40:51,599
dollars that was in the published um

1246
00:40:56,069 --> 00:40:54,319
accountant sheets um they mentioned it's

1247
00:40:57,670 --> 00:40:56,079
with the us army hands over to jim

1248
00:40:59,670 --> 00:40:57,680
cemevan who says

1249
00:41:02,309 --> 00:40:59,680
the crowd has a research agreement and

1250
00:41:04,870 --> 00:41:02,319
we have given them this material

1251
00:41:06,790 --> 00:41:04,880
de long says it's a very weird i said

1252
00:41:08,069 --> 00:41:06,800
it's a weird piece of metal a very weird

1253
00:41:09,910 --> 00:41:08,079
piece of metal

1254
00:41:11,589 --> 00:41:09,920
jim semivan says if the army finds

1255
00:41:14,470 --> 00:41:11,599
something interesting and this is where

1256
00:41:16,309 --> 00:41:14,480
it got a little bit muddy in terms of

1257
00:41:17,910 --> 00:41:16,319
the army might keep it and classify it

1258
00:41:19,430 --> 00:41:17,920
the army might keep it and make weapons

1259
00:41:21,030 --> 00:41:19,440
out of it the army might not be able to

1260
00:41:22,309 --> 00:41:21,040
do anything with it the army might be

1261
00:41:24,630 --> 00:41:22,319
able to do

1262
00:41:26,950 --> 00:41:24,640
50 or 60 percent of what they think it

1263
00:41:28,550 --> 00:41:26,960
might be or the army mate just gives it

1264
00:41:30,470 --> 00:41:28,560
back or the army might say we should

1265
00:41:32,710 --> 00:41:30,480
license it for public release and just

1266
00:41:33,990 --> 00:41:32,720
literally cover every possibility of

1267
00:41:35,430 --> 00:41:34,000
what's

1268
00:41:37,589 --> 00:41:35,440
at all right like stuff might happen

1269
00:41:39,109 --> 00:41:37,599
stuff might not happen cool

1270
00:41:40,550 --> 00:41:39,119
a stop shot of you know the army might

1271
00:41:42,390 --> 00:41:40,560
lose it under a table somewhere and we

1272
00:41:45,030 --> 00:41:42,400
don't ever find that again okay yeah

1273
00:41:46,550 --> 00:41:45,040
maybe but he covered all the scenarios

1274
00:41:48,710 --> 00:41:46,560
what i did take away from that though

1275
00:41:51,349 --> 00:41:48,720
with the meta material was don't expect

1276
00:41:52,870 --> 00:41:51,359
to hear anything anytime soon

1277
00:41:55,030 --> 00:41:52,880
it was very much it's going to take a

1278
00:41:57,190 --> 00:41:55,040
while but even then for me anything

1279
00:42:00,230 --> 00:41:57,200
substantial we're not hearing anything

1280
00:42:02,950 --> 00:42:00,240
anyways it sounds like

1281
00:42:04,950 --> 00:42:02,960
i i considered that gone

1282
00:42:06,230 --> 00:42:04,960
i mean they you hand something to the us

1283
00:42:07,270 --> 00:42:06,240
army it's gone they might still be

1284
00:42:09,270 --> 00:42:07,280
talking about it and they can have the

1285
00:42:11,190 --> 00:42:09,280
best hopes and i respect that but i i

1286
00:42:12,630 --> 00:42:11,200
consider that off the table now you have

1287
00:42:13,990 --> 00:42:12,640
your wonderful thing

1288
00:42:17,349 --> 00:42:14,000
yeah like that to any government

1289
00:42:19,750 --> 00:42:17,359
organization and it's gone you know yeah

1290
00:42:21,270 --> 00:42:19,760
i found this i found this box of uranium

1291
00:42:23,030 --> 00:42:21,280
somewhere can you keep it for me and

1292
00:42:24,550 --> 00:42:23,040
then check it it's legit and then give

1293
00:42:26,390 --> 00:42:24,560
me it back yeah we'll take it we're not

1294
00:42:28,710 --> 00:42:26,400
giving it back though

1295
00:42:29,990 --> 00:42:28,720
exactly exactly so i've got to wonder

1296
00:42:31,270 --> 00:42:30,000
what what we're going to get out of that

1297
00:42:33,589 --> 00:42:31,280
but again you know

1298
00:42:35,109 --> 00:42:33,599
we're going to start seeing nasa deal

1299
00:42:36,630 --> 00:42:35,119
with stuff like this part of the plan

1300
00:42:38,150 --> 00:42:36,640
they come up with after this initial

1301
00:42:39,430 --> 00:42:38,160
nine-month study might be hey there are

1302
00:42:40,950 --> 00:42:39,440
actually materials out there we should

1303
00:42:43,829 --> 00:42:40,960
be looking at these maybe this

1304
00:42:45,349 --> 00:42:43,839
organization can do that you know

1305
00:42:47,349 --> 00:42:45,359
ultimately for me this this was a

1306
00:42:49,670 --> 00:42:47,359
presentation to show people on the call

1307
00:42:51,589 --> 00:42:49,680
on this webinar we are asking for

1308
00:42:53,349 --> 00:42:51,599
further investment and the idea being

1309
00:42:55,109 --> 00:42:53,359
that if we can get

1310
00:42:57,270 --> 00:42:55,119
to where we want to be you will get a

1311
00:42:58,550 --> 00:42:57,280
return on that investment dan am i

1312
00:43:00,870 --> 00:42:58,560
writing saying that anyone who's

1313
00:43:02,870 --> 00:43:00,880
invested so far into the stars had seen

1314
00:43:04,790 --> 00:43:02,880
has seen zero return

1315
00:43:06,069 --> 00:43:04,800
zero return yeah because they're not i

1316
00:43:07,270 --> 00:43:06,079
mean they're not shares in the

1317
00:43:08,790 --> 00:43:07,280
traditional sense they're not on the

1318
00:43:10,630 --> 00:43:08,800
stock market kind of going up and down

1319
00:43:12,069 --> 00:43:10,640
or anything like that they're just

1320
00:43:13,670 --> 00:43:12,079
you're investing in the company it's

1321
00:43:16,150 --> 00:43:13,680
better to think of it like kind of

1322
00:43:17,910 --> 00:43:16,160
crowdfunding than it is he did he did

1323
00:43:19,430 --> 00:43:17,920
bring that up that they want to make it

1324
00:43:21,270 --> 00:43:19,440
that you can buy and sell shares and

1325
00:43:22,710 --> 00:43:21,280
stuff but again for me it very much

1326
00:43:24,950 --> 00:43:22,720
needs they need to move on to that next

1327
00:43:26,390 --> 00:43:24,960
level of success which would be a big

1328
00:43:28,390 --> 00:43:26,400
hit movie and

1329
00:43:30,069 --> 00:43:28,400
the the books being picked up if you

1330
00:43:32,710 --> 00:43:30,079
know legendary pick up

1331
00:43:35,030 --> 00:43:32,720
the the series for secret machines

1332
00:43:36,470 --> 00:43:35,040
and they they they go on to netflix

1333
00:43:38,230 --> 00:43:36,480
potentially which is the chance that

1334
00:43:39,750 --> 00:43:38,240
could happen or amazon prime you know

1335
00:43:41,589 --> 00:43:39,760
with a lot of the ring series coming out

1336
00:43:42,630 --> 00:43:41,599
which is huge what billion dollar tv

1337
00:43:45,030 --> 00:43:42,640
series

1338
00:43:46,630 --> 00:43:45,040
do they they see something in that

1339
00:43:48,150 --> 00:43:46,640
because i love that arranged that amazon

1340
00:43:49,510 --> 00:43:48,160
prime done

1341
00:43:51,430 --> 00:43:49,520
this would take that so much further

1342
00:43:53,190 --> 00:43:51,440
down the line potentially so

1343
00:43:54,870 --> 00:43:53,200
there's a lot of potential something

1344
00:43:56,470 --> 00:43:54,880
about the monsters of california trailer

1345
00:43:57,670 --> 00:43:56,480
that reminded me and i know tony because

1346
00:43:59,030 --> 00:43:57,680
there was some jokes in it like people

1347
00:44:00,550 --> 00:43:59,040
will be like oh it's nothing like that

1348
00:44:01,990 --> 00:44:00,560
and yeah fine it's nothing like the vast

1349
00:44:04,230 --> 00:44:02,000
of night but

1350
00:44:06,150 --> 00:44:04,240
looks wise that's what it reminded me of

1351
00:44:08,150 --> 00:44:06,160
this kind of wistful look at the

1352
00:44:10,069 --> 00:44:08,160
paranormal and the you know the

1353
00:44:14,390 --> 00:44:10,079
phenomena as we know it with the wide

1354
00:44:18,230 --> 00:44:16,630
sure it's informed but is everything in

1355
00:44:19,510 --> 00:44:18,240
it informed and because we know what

1356
00:44:21,430 --> 00:44:19,520
people are like running with these small

1357
00:44:24,230 --> 00:44:21,440
tidbits and i wonder if

1358
00:44:25,829 --> 00:44:24,240
informed sci-fi in the way that they're

1359
00:44:27,589 --> 00:44:25,839
saying it could just serve to muddy the

1360
00:44:29,510 --> 00:44:27,599
waters further you know i kind of almost

1361
00:44:31,430 --> 00:44:29,520
want a little pop-up on screen saying

1362
00:44:32,710 --> 00:44:31,440
this was something jim semivan said or

1363
00:44:33,910 --> 00:44:32,720
you know something like that that'd be

1364
00:44:35,829 --> 00:44:33,920
great

1365
00:44:37,910 --> 00:44:35,839
so regarding the stock options i still

1366
00:44:41,030 --> 00:44:37,920
can't see personally a large uptake this

1367
00:44:42,630 --> 00:44:41,040
time at this moment um

1368
00:44:44,230 --> 00:44:42,640
it's odd timing given what they've

1369
00:44:45,829 --> 00:44:44,240
announced but then how much more they're

1370
00:44:47,829 --> 00:44:45,839
going to announce and they've got a

1371
00:44:50,309 --> 00:44:47,839
movie on the horizon so it's still very

1372
00:44:52,950 --> 00:44:50,319
much like things could get really good

1373
00:44:54,630 --> 00:44:52,960
the way i see to the stars right now

1374
00:44:56,390 --> 00:44:54,640
as someone who was a fan of the company

1375
00:44:58,230 --> 00:44:56,400
and still has a keen eye on it just

1376
00:44:59,510 --> 00:44:58,240
given what it could potentially i hope

1377
00:45:01,670 --> 00:44:59,520
you know as a bit of a romantic i

1378
00:45:03,349 --> 00:45:01,680
suppose like yourself then that it could

1379
00:45:05,829 --> 00:45:03,359
still really give us something in the

1380
00:45:08,230 --> 00:45:05,839
subject more than what it has already

1381
00:45:10,550 --> 00:45:08,240
it's a bit like a band that had its big

1382
00:45:12,230 --> 00:45:10,560
hits a while ago that you've kept an eye

1383
00:45:14,630 --> 00:45:12,240
on they've not really released you know

1384
00:45:16,230 --> 00:45:14,640
any new albums you're your lead singer's

1385
00:45:18,150 --> 00:45:16,240
gone and done some solo projects but

1386
00:45:19,349 --> 00:45:18,160
he's taking on the along

1387
00:45:20,470 --> 00:45:19,359
taking along the drummer with them as

1388
00:45:22,150 --> 00:45:20,480
well because he couldn't find a better

1389
00:45:22,950 --> 00:45:22,160
drummer um

1390
00:45:24,390 --> 00:45:22,960
and

1391
00:45:25,750 --> 00:45:24,400
they're looking for that big hit again

1392
00:45:27,430 --> 00:45:25,760
that's going to bring them back and they

1393
00:45:28,870 --> 00:45:27,440
could still have that but right now

1394
00:45:30,230 --> 00:45:28,880
they're not playing stadium shows and

1395
00:45:32,950 --> 00:45:30,240
that's where they want to be they're

1396
00:45:34,630 --> 00:45:32,960
still playing the city halls um

1397
00:45:36,790 --> 00:45:34,640
and that's when they'll see that big up

1398
00:45:38,470 --> 00:45:36,800
taking the stocks as well so yeah that

1399
00:45:40,710 --> 00:45:38,480
that was the the to the stars if you get

1400
00:45:42,870 --> 00:45:40,720
a chance to watch it folks um the the

1401
00:45:43,829 --> 00:45:42,880
link was sent out via email to people i

1402
00:45:46,069 --> 00:45:43,839
don't know if they're gonna put it

1403
00:45:48,390 --> 00:45:46,079
online uh check out to the stars website

1404
00:45:49,750 --> 00:45:48,400
if they don't i will so keep an eye on

1405
00:45:51,990 --> 00:45:49,760
my social feeds

1406
00:45:54,470 --> 00:45:52,000
yeah don't don't piss off dan this week

1407
00:45:58,950 --> 00:45:54,480
folks um he'll he'll he'll drop all your

1408
00:46:02,230 --> 00:46:00,950
on that uh this is being recorded on

1409
00:46:04,390 --> 00:46:02,240
thursday the 9th of june you'll be

1410
00:46:05,750 --> 00:46:04,400
listening to on thursday 9th friday 10th

1411
00:46:07,589 --> 00:46:05,760
or maybe even a little bit further into

1412
00:46:09,270 --> 00:46:07,599
the future or a whole lot further into

1413
00:46:11,109 --> 00:46:09,280
the future and this is all totally

1414
00:46:13,270 --> 00:46:11,119
irrelevant who knows thanks for

1415
00:46:15,510 --> 00:46:13,280
listening either way and what's still to

1416
00:46:17,829 --> 00:46:15,520
come uh dan tomorrow we are going to

1417
00:46:19,349 --> 00:46:17,839
record uh a little review of a

1418
00:46:21,030 --> 00:46:19,359
documentary because the two were done

1419
00:46:23,030 --> 00:46:21,040
last month that were both new releases

1420
00:46:24,309 --> 00:46:23,040
were really popular but loads of people

1421
00:46:26,069 --> 00:46:24,319
have always got in touch with us and

1422
00:46:27,430 --> 00:46:26,079
asked haven't they what documentaries do

1423
00:46:29,109 --> 00:46:27,440
you recommend you know what are good

1424
00:46:31,430 --> 00:46:29,119
ones what do you think why should i

1425
00:46:33,349 --> 00:46:31,440
watch it and and we're going to try when

1426
00:46:35,910 --> 00:46:33,359
there's nothing new out that month at

1427
00:46:37,510 --> 00:46:35,920
least to watch one other documentary an

1428
00:46:38,950 --> 00:46:37,520
older one and talk about it and

1429
00:46:41,030 --> 00:46:38,960
something we've discussed a few times

1430
00:46:43,190 --> 00:46:41,040
and people always ask for the link on it

1431
00:46:45,190 --> 00:46:43,200
as a little bit of a hidden gem is that

1432
00:46:47,270 --> 00:46:45,200
dan aykroyd and yes that's dan aykroyd

1433
00:46:48,870 --> 00:46:47,280
of ghostbusters fame and other movies

1434
00:46:52,069 --> 00:46:48,880
saturday night live and stuff like that

1435
00:46:54,950 --> 00:46:52,079
as well um dana dan aykroyd unplugged on

1436
00:46:57,910 --> 00:46:54,960
ufos it's completely free on youtube the

1437
00:46:59,349 --> 00:46:57,920
algorithm can be a bit messy to find it

1438
00:47:01,750 --> 00:46:59,359
i'll put the link for it in this

1439
00:47:03,510 --> 00:47:01,760
description but we are going to just do

1440
00:47:04,870 --> 00:47:03,520
a kind of review on it not that it's

1441
00:47:07,510 --> 00:47:04,880
going to be hours long maybe half an

1442
00:47:09,030 --> 00:47:07,520
hour 40 minutes 45 minutes and discuss

1443
00:47:10,870 --> 00:47:09,040
what we like about it

1444
00:47:12,069 --> 00:47:10,880
if people should watch it it's a

1445
00:47:13,670 --> 00:47:12,079
favorite of mine it was one of those

1446
00:47:16,390 --> 00:47:13,680
ones i watched a few years ago and was

1447
00:47:17,990 --> 00:47:16,400
like oh this is surprisingly good you

1448
00:47:19,589 --> 00:47:18,000
know i don't i don't really remember it

1449
00:47:21,829 --> 00:47:19,599
to be honest so i'll definitely watch it

1450
00:47:23,109 --> 00:47:21,839
again before we do the review but it's

1451
00:47:24,790 --> 00:47:23,119
not one of the ones that pops in my head

1452
00:47:26,549 --> 00:47:24,800
when i think of my top i've just seen so

1453
00:47:27,670 --> 00:47:26,559
much you know yeah that's that's kind of

1454
00:47:28,710 --> 00:47:27,680
one of the reasons that it's good that

1455
00:47:29,990 --> 00:47:28,720
we're doing this because we'll get a

1456
00:47:32,069 --> 00:47:30,000
refresh and

1457
00:47:33,589 --> 00:47:32,079
people when when they kind of you know

1458
00:47:35,109 --> 00:47:33,599
they bite onto this subject they're a

1459
00:47:36,390 --> 00:47:35,119
bit insatiable with all the information

1460
00:47:37,990 --> 00:47:36,400
they want to consume so it would be cool

1461
00:47:40,470 --> 00:47:38,000
to kind of separate the the wheat from

1462
00:47:43,190 --> 00:47:40,480
the chaff there 100 yeah so that'll be

1463
00:47:45,750 --> 00:47:43,200
out on friday the 10th of june and then

1464
00:47:47,270 --> 00:47:45,760
on the friday the 10th uh in the evening

1465
00:47:49,109 --> 00:47:47,280
depending where you are night time

1466
00:47:52,390 --> 00:47:49,119
morning whatever it could be on the

1467
00:47:53,589 --> 00:47:52,400
youtube channel is the interview with

1468
00:47:55,030 --> 00:47:53,599
true

1469
00:47:57,349 --> 00:47:55,040
rooney

1470
00:47:59,430 --> 00:47:57,359
ronnie vernee yeah that's the one uh i

1471
00:48:01,589 --> 00:47:59,440
was thinking travis no that's next week

1472
00:48:03,430 --> 00:48:01,599
um yeah so ronnie verne brazilian

1473
00:48:05,430 --> 00:48:03,440
journalist and researcher who is

1474
00:48:07,349 --> 00:48:05,440
involved in the upcoming uep hearings in

1475
00:48:09,349 --> 00:48:07,359
brazil he joined me for a fascinating

1476
00:48:11,270 --> 00:48:09,359
conversation his own experiences

1477
00:48:13,349 --> 00:48:11,280
experiences are really interesting as

1478
00:48:15,750 --> 00:48:13,359
well and he tells us the lowdown on what

1479
00:48:18,069 --> 00:48:15,760
to expect in those upcoming hearings

1480
00:48:20,950 --> 00:48:18,079
and i just recorded uh this week with

1481
00:48:22,069 --> 00:48:20,960
travis taylor um skinwalker ranch and a

1482
00:48:23,589 --> 00:48:22,079
whole host of other shows and

1483
00:48:25,750 --> 00:48:23,599
documentaries really interesting

1484
00:48:27,430 --> 00:48:25,760
conversation um i really appreciated

1485
00:48:29,349 --> 00:48:27,440
travis's time on that one we covered a

1486
00:48:31,589 --> 00:48:29,359
lot of ground in a short period of time

1487
00:48:33,589 --> 00:48:31,599
as well that's already on patreon and

1488
00:48:35,510 --> 00:48:33,599
all that kind of jazz um but it's out

1489
00:48:37,829 --> 00:48:35,520
monday on the free feeds for everyone

1490
00:48:39,990 --> 00:48:37,839
the night after i recorded with travis i

1491
00:48:42,630 --> 00:48:40,000
recorded with steve mehra who is a you

1492
00:48:44,870 --> 00:48:42,640
know world famous it's fair to say ufo

1493
00:48:47,430 --> 00:48:44,880
uh investigator and researcher he also

1494
00:48:48,790 --> 00:48:47,440
owns and organizes the awakening expo

1495
00:48:50,710 --> 00:48:48,800
which is happening in blackpool in a

1496
00:48:53,109 --> 00:48:50,720
couple of weeks in england and we

1497
00:48:54,950 --> 00:48:53,119
recorded for about two hours 10 minutes

1498
00:48:56,470 --> 00:48:54,960
but again we covered a whole host of

1499
00:48:58,870 --> 00:48:56,480
subjects

1500
00:49:01,109 --> 00:48:58,880
right yeah he was really interested in

1501
00:49:03,109 --> 00:49:01,119
juno what fair play to him as well

1502
00:49:04,710 --> 00:49:03,119
because i

1503
00:49:06,710 --> 00:49:04,720
wanted to respectfully bring up some

1504
00:49:09,589 --> 00:49:06,720
issues i have with certain types of

1505
00:49:11,510 --> 00:49:09,599
expos and the characters involved and he

1506
00:49:13,750 --> 00:49:11,520
addressed them head-on and he was in

1507
00:49:16,309 --> 00:49:13,760
agreement with a lot of i think what

1508
00:49:17,829 --> 00:49:16,319
many of the listeners of this show have

1509
00:49:19,349 --> 00:49:17,839
in terms of what they would like to see

1510
00:49:21,589 --> 00:49:19,359
at these events and you know dan we

1511
00:49:24,630 --> 00:49:21,599
talked about that interesting crossover

1512
00:49:26,630 --> 00:49:24,640
between the science and i suppose let's

1513
00:49:29,270 --> 00:49:26,640
just say the woo you know people talking

1514
00:49:31,190 --> 00:49:29,280
about the black knight satellites and

1515
00:49:32,870 --> 00:49:31,200
the pleiades and star seeds and all that

1516
00:49:34,150 --> 00:49:32,880
kind of stuff at events and where

1517
00:49:36,230 --> 00:49:34,160
where's that crossover where's that

1518
00:49:37,589 --> 00:49:36,240
happy ground where's that medium and it

1519
00:49:39,670 --> 00:49:37,599
was a really interesting chat we had

1520
00:49:41,109 --> 00:49:39,680
back and forward so again that'll be out

1521
00:49:45,190 --> 00:49:41,119
probably in two parts because it's so

1522
00:49:46,870 --> 00:49:45,200
long but from the 13th 20th uh 20th of

1523
00:49:47,829 --> 00:49:46,880
june that week leading up to awakening

1524
00:49:48,710 --> 00:49:47,839
but they'll both be out in the same

1525
00:49:50,309 --> 00:49:48,720
weekend

1526
00:49:52,069 --> 00:49:50,319
for anyone that kind of is curious about

1527
00:49:53,750 --> 00:49:52,079
steve's work i'd recommend just jump on

1528
00:49:55,990 --> 00:49:53,760
youtube and google project doorway

1529
00:49:58,150 --> 00:49:56,000
there's a presentation he did recently

1530
00:50:00,150 --> 00:49:58,160
where he goes into if you ever heard of

1531
00:50:03,349 --> 00:50:00,160
the the kind of associations between

1532
00:50:05,670 --> 00:50:03,359
magnetic anomalies and the geography of

1533
00:50:07,510 --> 00:50:05,680
a place uh where a sighting occurred

1534
00:50:10,630 --> 00:50:07,520
that's that's steve and his partner uh i

1535
00:50:12,309 --> 00:50:10,640
think barry um who do that presentation

1536
00:50:14,069 --> 00:50:12,319
and it's an awesome presentation you

1537
00:50:15,750 --> 00:50:14,079
know there's a nice

1538
00:50:18,069 --> 00:50:15,760
suggested correlation there that's

1539
00:50:19,190 --> 00:50:18,079
really intriguing um and so i'd

1540
00:50:20,630 --> 00:50:19,200
recommend that people just go watch it i

1541
00:50:22,150 --> 00:50:20,640
think it's about two hours but you know

1542
00:50:24,069 --> 00:50:22,160
he hits all the notes and you'll enjoy

1543
00:50:25,589 --> 00:50:24,079
it i'll put the link in the description

1544
00:50:27,589 --> 00:50:25,599
as well but yeah we touch on that

1545
00:50:29,589 --> 00:50:27,599
presentation and a whole host we we go

1546
00:50:31,670 --> 00:50:29,599
into a lot of ground and steve will be

1547
00:50:33,589 --> 00:50:31,680
back on it it was great to chat to so

1548
00:50:35,829 --> 00:50:33,599
but anyway i've rabbited on enough at

1549
00:50:36,870 --> 00:50:35,839
the end of this one folks dan thanks for

1550
00:50:39,190 --> 00:50:36,880
joining me

1551
00:50:42,470 --> 00:50:39,200
thank you it's uh it's been a great day

1552
00:50:44,470 --> 00:50:42,480
to kind of you know celebrate this nazis

1553
00:50:46,549 --> 00:50:44,480
yeah i'm going to head off and trademark

1554
00:50:48,309 --> 00:50:46,559
informed science fiction

1555
00:50:50,390 --> 00:50:48,319
any of you out there think about using

1556
00:50:51,670 --> 00:50:50,400
that anyway good speaking with you and

1557
00:50:53,829 --> 00:50:51,680
we'll speak soon

1558
00:50:55,750 --> 00:50:53,839
that is all for this week's show thank

1559
00:50:57,829 --> 00:50:55,760
you very much for listening please

1560
00:51:00,470 --> 00:50:57,839
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1561
00:51:02,790 --> 00:51:00,480
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1562
00:51:04,710 --> 00:51:02,800
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1563
00:51:06,870 --> 00:51:04,720
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1564
00:51:08,390 --> 00:51:06,880
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1565
00:51:10,870 --> 00:51:08,400
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1566
00:51:13,589 --> 00:51:10,880
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1567
00:51:15,750 --> 00:51:13,599
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1568
00:51:18,630 --> 00:51:15,760
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1569
00:51:22,309 --> 00:51:18,640
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1570
00:51:24,230 --> 00:51:22,319
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1571
00:51:26,900 --> 00:51:24,240
folks as always keep looking up you

1572
00:51:47,990 --> 00:51:26,910
never know what you might see

1573
00:51:48,000 --> 00:51:55,280
i don't think he expected

1574
00:51:55,290 --> 00:52:03,030
[Music]

1575
00:52:23,829 --> 00:52:04,870
i can't imagine how could've been any

1576
00:52:35,510 --> 00:52:25,109
there was something on my head and

1577
00:52:35,520 --> 00:52:42,410
scare

1578
00:52:47,430 --> 00:52:45,030
[Music]

1579
00:52:57,730 --> 00:52:47,440
want to know who me think it's you and

1580
00:53:24,549 --> 00:53:02,230
[Music]

1581
00:53:32,549 --> 00:53:27,370
what's that

1582
00:53:34,470 --> 00:53:32,559
[Music]

1583
00:53:36,630 --> 00:53:34,480
it wasn't a tic tac and not quite a

1584
00:53:45,570 --> 00:53:36,640
saucer

1585
00:54:21,190 --> 00:54:07,720
[Music]

1586
00:54:26,710 --> 00:54:23,020
thank you